3unit2
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Post by 3unit2 on Oct 13, 2004 17:08:25 GMT -5
Do we physically have to be behind the steering wheel to be enroute YES !!!!!!!!!The issue you raise is 30 seconds or 1 minute most of the time, is it worth comlpaining about? YES!!!!!
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Post by Valley3 on Oct 13, 2004 22:42:42 GMT -5
This poor horse you keep beating must be part cat with as many times it has been beat to death and then come back to life.
A crews total time from time of dispatch to the time on scene will be the same if you say you are responding before you pee or after you pee. Once you commit you have responded whether your truck is moving or not.
May the horse rest in peace
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Post by canton1 on Oct 13, 2004 23:25:49 GMT -5
I think we all know that we are talking more than stopping to take a "P". I know and you know that there are several that say they are responding and do not head for the rig or the Potty. If you are going to be a few minutes or a minute to hit the street why not acknowledge the call and say "responding" when you hit the road.
If that is not the right thing to do please tell me. I do not see how this is a horse, but I will beat it if it needs beat. I think and I say think, that most of the time Greater Valley is actually headed for the road when they call responding. I do know for FACT that there are times that is not the case in a couple other agencies.
So will you then also tell me why it is OK for ALS to disregard the L&S policy but you "guys" can disregard it and it is OK. I have been told by a MEDIC--"if they do not listen to me I will take the Pt. and load them in my ambulance" I bet you a buck that would not go over well if a EMT said that when a ALS truck arrived to a call that required red lights and he/she was not using them.
NO--How is that for beating a horse
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Post by CMTMedic on Oct 13, 2004 23:37:15 GMT -5
As for the response based on EMD protocol:
The standard has been set for when not to make an Emergent (L&S) response. This has come "cast in stone" pretty much from the state. As far as I have seen or heard there are no mandates that say that L&S are required in any response. EMD recommends response levels but EMD is not the law. If ambulances are responding improperly than (as whacker911 is fond of saying) please feel free to prove it on paper with cold hard facts.
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Post by canton1 on Oct 13, 2004 23:53:49 GMT -5
I dont think that it is a LAW either way. I am not really sure though. I am just trying to say. What is good for the goose is good for the Gander.
Why are some of them GODS. It was ok before they became the "ALMIGHTY"
If someone says that we should follow EMD protocols them I believe the ALS should also.
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Post by Valley3 on Oct 14, 2004 22:17:28 GMT -5
Who are you "guys"
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Post by 911wacker on Oct 15, 2004 7:00:33 GMT -5
Do we physically have to be behind the steering wheel to be enroute YES !!!!!!!!!The issue you raise is 30 seconds or 1 minute most of the time, is it worth comlpaining about? YES!!!!! Can you show me where this is in writing? If it is, Please show the rest of us so we can refer to it in future discussions. 30 seconds or 1 minute is nothing when you factor in the Overall picture!!
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Post by 911guy on Oct 15, 2004 14:33:27 GMT -5
en route \En` route"\ [F.] On the way or road. dictionary.reference.com/search?q=-en%20route-&db=web1913 Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. It's all symantecs anyway. No one is going to change anyone's mind about this. All I can tell you is, in Lancaster County, EVERYONE - NO EXCEPTIONS - is IN the ambulance - full crew - wheels rolling - when they call enroute. If ANYONE pulled a "well, I was walking to the rig", etc., management would be having a talk with them! You also have to understand that portable radios make good wheel chocks here - meaning they don't work hardly anywhere. (Lo-band). That means they pretty much HAVE to be in the ambulance to call enroute or county doesn't hear them. In addition, the 911 center QAs ALS responses and times exactly how long it took to get from point A to point B, using announced responding and on-scene time. If they are askew (took longer than it should have), the 911 center "dings" the agency and reports it to the EMS Council. If there is no improvement, they no longer get dispatched! I realize Lancaster and Bradford are NOT the same, but volunteer or paid, the rules are the same in Lancaster. Incidentally, when the county announces the response level, the units abide by it! If it is an EMD low priority, you do NOT NOT NOT run lights and sirens. If it is higher priority, you DO run lights and sirens. Again, the management of each EMS agency sees to compliance.
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Post by 911wacker on Oct 15, 2004 16:12:00 GMT -5
Key words being "on the way", doesn't mean that you have to be behind the wheel. This means that you are making effort, moving towards the incident scene whether it be on foot or in a vehicle. So are officers on foot patrol truely not responding until the get into a motor vehicle? Or are they responding, if they are going towards the incident scene? ;D
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Post by Firemedic on Oct 15, 2004 16:25:32 GMT -5
Valley 3 - I think that he is bringing up "you guys" as ALS Vs. BLS. Not like there aren't enough problems already without someone stirring it all with a large wooden sthingy. Thats OK, someday things will be different and we won't be having these ALS Vs. BLS discussion agian.
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Post by canton1 on Oct 19, 2004 23:31:01 GMT -5
"Valley 3 - I think that he is bringing up "you guys" as ALS Vs. BLS. Not like there aren't enough problems already without someone stirring it all with a large wooden sthingy. Thats OK, someday things will be different and we won't be having these ALS Vs. BLS discussion agian. " Why won't we be having these discussions? You planning on doing a county takeover?I see it this way from the OUTSIDE.... If ALS does not come up with it or do not like it then that is the way it will be. I do not want to put one against the other. But, I have heard a MEDIC state--"if they do not do it my way, I will take the Pt. out of thier rig and put them into mine" WHAT IS THAT ABOUT. Do most forget where they came from? ?
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Post by Chris VanDruff on Oct 28, 2004 21:29:15 GMT -5
WOW HOW totally ironic I have not been in here in awhile but the other night I got soooo freakin mad because we were dispatched to a charlie priority call and the tech in the back who feel sshe is all knowing decided to reach up and turn on the dam siren all the way to the call. I dont think it was needed but these people feel they need to run L & S to everything at anytime no matter what because they know everything but they dont freakin know everything in fact most EMS providers you talk to think they are stinking worthless. Oh well I dont know if your going to the call go to the call if the people that have taken the time to come up with protocals say run lights and sirens or dont run ligts and sirens do what the protocals tell ya to do. come on it is really freakin simple.
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cledus
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the unknown medic
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Post by cledus on Oct 29, 2004 20:14:09 GMT -5
We have a one, no one follows. Maybe people should use good judgment. Turn the lights off and drive responsably. I say turn the lights off because as soon as they turn the lights on they start driving like dare I say idiots .
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Post by Everyonesshadows on Nov 3, 2004 4:01:43 GMT -5
Well the dispatch priorities are there to follow. Let’s not forget the BLS companies that cancel ALS and still run lights and sirens. If the patient doesn’t meat the criteria for ALS then the BLS company should feel confident with there decision and turn off the lights at that point in time, I see this time and time again. Those people that run lights and sirens after they cancel ALS are only putting the general public at risk of getting injured. Those people that cant drive responsible when having the lights on and siren shouldn’t be driving because they are putting not only themselves at risk but other people as well. Lets all remember a little common scene goes a long way.
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