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Post by valleytech36 on Feb 2, 2005 4:02:11 GMT -5
Yes, they should be on stand-by for any patient that meets classification as Category 1 or 2 Trauma.
Other day I heard a fire unit cancel the bird and the MICU requested the helicopter to be replaced back on stand-by till an EMS unit or personnel get on scene and cancel the helicopter.
Why is a non-medical personnel cancelling the helicopter? I know some people have been in the fire service long enough and have been around some major incidents.
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Post by canton1 on Feb 2, 2005 4:24:45 GMT -5
Valley 8, That particular call it was a EMT (and a very experienced one) that was trying to cancel it. Just because someone is using a Fire Call sign does not mean they are not EMS oriented!
What if they are doing it on behalf of a EMS unit??
On the other foot, I have heard "EMS" people say that fire was not needed on a MVA scene. Why is that???
Is this a POWER strugle or what? I have heard all kinds of rumors about who can and can not cancel a helicopter.
I just heard the other day that the EMS council here changed the policy-- Is it true and did the word get put out to all people.
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Post by 9Wacker1 on Feb 2, 2005 10:04:08 GMT -5
On the chief's comment: if policy has been changed, I haven't heard.
About the thread: I think that our dispatcher's should have the first call on the bird. If the call meets certain criteria (entrapment, pentrating injury, falls of great height, etc.), I'd like the bird at least on stand-by - probably in the air. Where we are the bird could reach us (most of the time) quicker than any ALS truck, if they were dispatched at the same time. And yes, we have recalled them when they were within sight of the LZ (with mixed opinions from the ground crew but I've never heard a complaint from the flight crew).
Patient care should be top priority - let's use the best we have!
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Post by FIREFIGHTER16 on Feb 2, 2005 18:21:52 GMT -5
I SAY JUST PUT IT ON STAND BY. ITS PRETTY EXSPENSIVE TO GET IT IN THE AIR JUST TO TURN IT AROUND. ALSO WHO GETS THE BILL FOR THAT.
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Post by valleytech36 on Feb 3, 2005 23:46:08 GMT -5
Hey Chief, When he/she called the dispatch to cancel the helicopter he/she should have used his/her call sign with tech in it, "XX Tech 5" or give his/her PA DOH EMT #. When they are doing for an ambulance they should stated that they are canceling the helicopter per the ambulance company. Sometimes we are called to MVC when the police department only requests an ambulance. Why is that? No, it’s not a power struggle. Because if someone that is non-medical trained cancel the helicopter and hasn't done an assessment or vitals check on walking injured patient that has just collapse on the scene. Who will be responsible for that? Now you have too wait a little longer for the helicopter. No, I haven't heard the EMS council changed the policy.
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Post by MenInBlack on Feb 5, 2005 11:34:03 GMT -5
I agree that there should be multiple choices allowed in the survey.
I also agree that the bird should at the bare minimum be put on standby. The distace from a trauma center should also be taken into consideration at the time of dispatch. If the call is outside the valley, then the bird should be put into the air.
The Golden Hour starts at the time of the accident, not the time of dispatch. The accident could have happened long before anybody reports it, ie remote locations, late at night, concealed due to being off the road, just plain too far from a phone, etc.
It is much easier to turn them around than try to scramble them into action.
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