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Post by canton1 on Feb 28, 2004 23:34:50 GMT -5
Just curious. I know Tioga PA does it if it meets Criteria so that it does not take to long to get there and then find out you need it!!
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Post by 911wacker on Mar 1, 2004 7:40:24 GMT -5
With the exception of Penetrating Trauma and Mass Casualty Incidents, I would have to say leave it up to someone on scene.
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Post by flash97 on Mar 2, 2004 16:57:16 GMT -5
I wish that the poll thing would let you pick more than one, there are many instnces where I believe that the "bird" shouild at least be put in the air and started toward the scene, it's no different than any box alarm, it's there as a valuable resouce, take advantage of it. If you consider the Golden Hour, around here you wait to dispatch unti on scene, your already behind on time, you can always recall it if after on scene and find you don't needit. "GOD" GAVE US A RESOURCE, USE IT!!
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Ricey244
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Post by Ricey244 on Mar 4, 2004 10:49:42 GMT -5
The good thing about putting it on standby or flying based on caller, like someone else said, it doesn't take as long to get there, and you already have it coming, if you are lucky, they can get there when you are getting there. I works for us i guess.
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Post by dong wong on Mar 4, 2004 10:55:22 GMT -5
I definately feel that it is up to the ems or paramedics on scene to determine. but if it sounds bad, The chopper is a good thing to have comin', They can always turn around.
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Post by TheFenceJumper1 on Mar 4, 2004 11:02:01 GMT -5
I myself, if I was to have the command, scary thought to myself, would automaticly put the bird at the very least on a stand-by. Depending on where the amboulance's are at, and patient is in need of more advanced life care support, would scramble the bird to the scene. If it's not needed the medic or another official can always stand it down.
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Post by flash97 on Mar 4, 2004 18:04:44 GMT -5
What it comes right down to is how fast can we give the PROPER care to someone that is in need, sure, if your in the Valley, it wouldn't make much sense to fly most of the time, but here in canton, you're quite a ways from any trauma centre, and in my mind, I would like to see them on their way, we can always send them back, maybe they(the people who staff the bird) may not like the extra calls, but this is a persons life we are talking about, and aren't we out there to preserve that life, isn't that what we train for? Maybe I'm looking into it too much, but I know that if it was me in an MVA, I would want to have as much chance for survival as possible at any cost, any the quiker the response of the bird may not only save my life, but save my quality of life.
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Mansfield2
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Post by Mansfield2 on Mar 4, 2004 18:41:03 GMT -5
Most of the time the 911 center in Tioga County hits the nail right on the head when they put the bird in the air. Every once and a while the caller makes it sound a whole lot worse than it really is, but they're only a mic click away from going home. With the average response time to Tioga County being 20-30 minutes any bit of extra time the pt. can get to fight off that golden hour all the better. There are places in the county that if the helicpoter is placed in the air upon dispatch they are the first ALS unit on the scene. They say(Stat/Lifeflight/whoever) they don't mind being cancelled mid-flight, so hey let them start out what's it hurt.
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LT106
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Pre-Burn is Good!
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Post by LT106 on Mar 4, 2004 19:01:47 GMT -5
I believe in putting them on standby off the bat if they seem to have feasible info to do so maybe even an in air standby becuase we know how people seem to exagerate when they are reporting a crash
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Post by PSPFIREMARSHAL on Mar 6, 2004 9:46:50 GMT -5
Maybe I'm looking into it too much, but I know that if it was me in an MVA, I would want to have as much chance for survival as possible at any cost, any the quiker the response of the bird may not only save my life, but save my quality of life. So that is what you were thinking when you hit that tree
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Post by flash97 on Mar 8, 2004 17:03:52 GMT -5
It wasn't me who hit the tree, it was my illustrious chief. ;D
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Larry
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Post by Larry on Mar 16, 2004 12:23:53 GMT -5
Lets make it easy, follow sop's, 1 less thing for IC to worry about, and you know it has been done!
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Post by canton1 on Mar 17, 2004 7:18:25 GMT -5
My thoughts are if we can make it better for all involved, the Comm Center, The Patient and the Incident Commander.
Why do we all have to stay status quo (or how you spell it)
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Post by Chris VanDruff on Mar 18, 2004 7:28:17 GMT -5
mechanism of injury golden hour there are so many factors that we are working against befor the tones even drop. comm center workers whether you want to believe it or not are us,they have the same training as most of us they know what we are possibly facing befor we do. Drop the egos and let them make the call. Automatic on the bird? Why not!!!
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Post by RAYFF2 on Mar 20, 2004 14:22:42 GMT -5
The Almighty Golden Hour..... If the bird is available put the crew on standby or depending what the severity of the call is put them in the air. They can always turn around if they are not needed once fire or ems personnel get on scene.
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