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Post by FIREFIGHTER16 on Aug 7, 2006 14:22:21 GMT -5
during a command operation the only reason the IC should come back to fire 1 is to speak to bradford county. this has been discussed in the fire chief meetings and when ever someone comes to us at the comm center and askes us why its this way. in the future this will be a dispatch only frequency and respond on channel 2. even know this will be another 5 months down the road, it will be the way it is.
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Post by GVEMS11 on Aug 7, 2006 16:47:27 GMT -5
Hm... Seperate frequencies for different operations (i.e. fire ground ops channel, water supply -- tanker shuttle -- channel, etc), with command being the only individual to radio requests/information to the dispatch center on the primary channel... Sounds like the teachings of................ any INCIDENT COMMAND CLASS!
To sum up the last two pages of posts, it sounds like the majority of the radio problems comes from unneccessary traffic, which boils down to radio education and DISCIPLINE. That's been visited on here a time or two before...
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Post by 4157 on Aug 7, 2006 19:11:43 GMT -5
Speaking of channels being full, what's up w/ F1 & F2?
Since like 8AM both have been constantly buzzing and clicking..? We had a few claps of thunder, so I just assumed my outdoor antenna got fried, but when I locked those two out, the other freqs worked fine.
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Post by chief322 on Aug 7, 2006 21:36:21 GMT -5
To begin with, utilizing three operations channels on an active incident scene is not uncommon. Command, operations and fp operations utilize three separate channels, regularly. On a major incident, couple in special op's and we have four channels working one incident.
I am versed in all aspects of the ICS. This includes both the NFPA and the NFA versions, as well as Brunacini's and the Unified command system employed by the NFA and the PA turnpike / PSP.
Thad: What makes what the BCFCA dictates correct. I do not belive for one moment that a majority or a minority for that fact, utilize an operations officer within their operations. You being an educated and experienced firefighter should know that operations are a key and vital part of the command system. How many of the chiefs' are willing to assign operations as part of their command system on the scene. On a multiple department responce, or multiple task incident, what is the ratio of responsibility versus capability of the individual? I have seen no red capes attached to any chief operating officer within this or any other county, have you?
Barring any non-emergent or local alarm incident, to say that a chief fire officer or any othe individual that wants to take on the responsibility or accountability for the outcome, without the utilization of a complete command system is assinine. If we all thought that we wear those red capes, then why have the assistants, deputies, battalion, captains and lieutenants.
Just food for thoughts!
FYI - I have read all replies and have found all very informative and well thought out. I will not disagree with all, as I do respect all those opinions.
Tim
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Post by atpd2 on Aug 7, 2006 22:48:54 GMT -5
Been awhile since I posted anything, but here is my 1/50th of a dollars worth:
1. Most storm related calls are not "emergency" calls but more of a public service. Sometimes I wonder why we respond to these at all. Probably best left to PennDot, DPW or the utility involved. Respond accordingly, these calls do not warrant alot of radio traffic.
2. Assign one of your members to remain at the station. Have a list of emergency numbers, contacts etc, and take some of the burden off the comm center.
3. Get a private department channel and use it when applicable
4. Assign geographically distant departments the same ops channel. For example during a county wide storm incident, Canton and Sayre could probably work off the same ops channel and not bother each other.
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Post by FIREFIGHTER16 on Aug 8, 2006 16:33:21 GMT -5
TIM, I DONT RECALL SAYING WHATEVER THE BCFCA DICTATES IS CORRECT DID I? I JUST SAID THAT THAT TOPIC WAS DISCUSSED THERE. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YES I HAVE. I HAVE WORKED MANY ALARMS WHERE MY DEPARTMENT HAS HAD AN IC. AND THERE WILL BE OTHER BRANCHES TO THAT. EVERY STRUCTURE TROY HAS WE HAVE A ICO, WHO IS THE CHIEF. ALONG WITH THAT WE HAVE INTERIOR COMMAND, EXTERIOR COMMAND, WATER SUPPLY COMMAND AND FINALLY TRAFFIC CONTROL. IM NOT SURE IF THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT.
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Post by lycocapt on Aug 9, 2006 16:39:53 GMT -5
1. Most storm related calls are not "emergency" calls but more of a public service. Sometimes I wonder why we respond to these at all. Probably best left to PennDot, DPW or the utility involved. Respond accordingly, these calls do not warrant alot of radio traffic. 2. Assign one of your members to remain at the station. Have a list of emergency numbers, contacts etc, and take some of the burden off the comm center. 3. Get a private department channel and use it when applicable 4. Assign geographically distant departments the same ops channel. For example during a county wide storm incident, Canton and Sayre could probably work off the same ops channel and not bother each other. Exactly. This is what we do to the letter. If (Lyc) county knows that you have someone manning the phone at your station, they will call the station via phone with new incidents, and our person will dispatch field units via our twp freq. That person also will call in pole numbers and the like directly to the proper agency. Here in Lyc county, our tact freq's are pre assigned by where you are located, and by who your "regular" mutual aid co's are. We are always on Freq. 6, along with our surrounding companies that we normally run with. Our tact's don't hit a repeater, and county does not monitor them.
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Post by Medic13 on Aug 9, 2006 21:58:21 GMT -5
2. Assign one of your members to remain at the station. Have a list of emergency numbers, contacts etc, and take some of the burden off the comm center Now that's some good thinking. Doubt it will catch on though. Contrary to popular belief, county doesn't have any magical phone numbers that take first priority at the utility co... we have the same numbers as the general population. This is why I mentioned that it is so much better to relay the untility info in one shot because each and every time the dispatcher has to call the utility company, they sit on the phone for anywhere from 10-15, sometimes 20 minutes. Picture a storm incident with radio, phone, and 911 calls coming in left and right, and the dispatchers are tied up on the phone each time someone has something more for the utility company... see how this can pose a problem? Assigning one person in the department for this duty would free up the dispatchers a little so they can focus on taking calls and working emergencies.
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Post by FIREFIGHTER16 on Aug 10, 2006 13:19:08 GMT -5
very well put Mr. Cama
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Post by NT1 on Aug 10, 2006 14:23:43 GMT -5
Well put indeed, but the concept of manning the station during a major storm event is not new. We (NTFRV) practice this during any major event usually at the request of the comm center or the Chief. On communications, we utilize the township frequency to conduct internal business and only use fire freqs when needed.
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Post by Medic13 on Dec 14, 2006 6:07:55 GMT -5
Before this topic gets too far down the page... When an ops frequency is assigned, why is it often not used? Is there some particular reason certain individuals consistently stay on F1 for on-scene chatter, even after being assigned an ops frequency? It really turns the radio traffic into a CF when some units are on the ops channel, and some are on F1... then they try to get ahold of each other but can't, yet keep calling...then swith to the other freqency, but the other guy switched too, so now they're both calling each other on different frequencies... then county attempts to get ahold of command on the ops frequency, but command is on F1... then 5min later, command is on the ops frequency.... it doesn't stop. Along with having a frequency dedicated to that incident and keeping F1 open, doesn't it sorta make sense to have everyone on the same frequency?
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Post by 911wacker on Dec 14, 2006 17:56:36 GMT -5
Along with having a frequency dedicated to that incident and keeping F1 open, doesn't it sorta make sense to have everyone on the same frequency? Yup, makes sense to me..........but then agian most things we do don't make sense anyway. It all boils down to [glow=red,2,300]DISCIPLINE!![/glow]
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