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Post by iwillsaveyou18 on Nov 4, 2004 11:49:13 GMT -5
Let's keep thing easy!! Who ever is going to be in charge of the care of the Patient they should say ok. Do i need any help if not then eveyone else can get out. When the medic gets on board If you need on that is. Let him or her say if they want any extra hands or not. The in on reason in this world eight ppl need to be in the back of an Ambulance stop being use Air Heads. Lets give the pt the care they need and not a bus load of ppl in the back of a rig. 2 ppl is all you really need in the back. May even 3 if you are doin CPR
USE YOUR heads that the good Lord gave US!
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Post by Medic12 on Nov 4, 2004 15:20:03 GMT -5
Wow it must be nice, you guys have to throw people out of the back of an amb. Consider it a blessing. Most of the time I'm lucky to even have 1 partner in the back with me.
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Post by cledus on Nov 4, 2004 22:39:59 GMT -5
See no one has answered the question. So I try again, if a medic got on your ambulance and told you to get off would you?
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Post by valleytech36 on Nov 5, 2004 2:10:49 GMT -5
H#&& NO!!! We Won't Go!!!
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Post by blueeighty8 on Nov 5, 2004 7:30:38 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]See no one has answered the question. So I try again, if a medic got on your ambulance and told you to get off would you? [/glow]
Well, if we even had 8 emts to put in the back of one ambulance; I'd make them get out before we even had time to discuss it. I know BC ambulances aren't part of the FD's. But since we are, we operate under the FD bylaws, which state that the highest ranking officer/member decides what happens. First thing I'd say is, you don't leave town with your 2nd due BLS crew.
All you need is a driver, and two emt's. Or one emt to drive and one emt in the back, if the call is simple. Commonwealth Ambulance Code states you only need * two emt personnel for a legal crew. But use common sence, if the guy is CTD, add an extra guy. There is no justifiable reason for you to fill every seat in the rear with personnel, unless you're all patients. You are there to help the patient, not to be seen, or to make a show... Most ambulances only seat 5 people. Why do you need 5 people? Even if your bus carries 2 patients, or more if you have the ceiling stretcher bars; You don't need one person to write, and one person to take vitals for every patient. Write your own report; take your own vitals, treat your own patient. Basic emt skills.
You'd never have to ask our crews to get out; we staff 2 ambulances; and often have to cover for other ambulances that scratch. Plus staff five fire apparatus including a heavy rescue and aerial equipment. There has to be some common sence used, what is the emergency? How many people do you need to delegate to handle that emergency? Is a crew of an attendant/driver, and two basic EMT's enough? Is a state certified ambulance attendant (yes they do still exist) and EMT enough? I'm not sure how the emt/fr ratio, etc works. and I'm also not familiar w/ the Penna. FR Scope of Practice, although I'd like to know if someone can provide a link!
But if for some godly reason, two emts in the back was too much for you cledus, we'd gladly remove one to the front...
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Post by cledus on Nov 6, 2004 20:04:43 GMT -5
Blue you hit it on the head, we are there for the Pt, and not to be seen. I think to many providers have forgotten that
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Post by Chris VanDruff on Nov 6, 2004 21:33:33 GMT -5
Cledus to answer the question absolutely yes. If a medic said he needed room I would be the first to excuse myself. I think blue said it extremely well this aint no popularity contest people lets just get the job done.
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Post by Firemedic on Nov 7, 2004 18:34:41 GMT -5
Ahhhhhh, so we are trying to solve the age old problems of EMS from the computer desk. Cledus, If you were trained in a decent paramedic program, you would have been able to realize that YOU needed to take charge and control the situation. If too many people are involved and it hinders patient care, reduce the dead weight!! They all mean real well, but you have to show them the big picture!!
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Post by W4SFD on Nov 18, 2004 5:41:29 GMT -5
I've been heard saying for years, That the purpose for the cot having wheels was to tow it behind the rig so you can get as many techs in the rig as possible.
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Post by GVEMS30 on Nov 22, 2004 20:11:35 GMT -5
Cledus, If you were trained in a decent paramedic program, Firemedic, Please define "decent paramedic program" and what qualifies you to make that judgment.
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Post by charlotte_ff on Nov 23, 2004 20:38:59 GMT -5
That was kind of my question. What does your state paramedic patch have on it that is different than mine. Do you know what they call the worst graduating student from the worst medical program?...Doctor.
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Post by Firemedic on Nov 25, 2004 21:24:00 GMT -5
Firemedic, Please define "decent paramedic program" and what qualifies you to make that judgment. "decent Paramedic program" - one that teach's you how to do it in the real world, not just how to pass the test. Just because you have been around it, doesn't mean that you can do it. If you are going to talk the talk, you must be able to walk the walk first. We have all seen medics that don't cut the mustard without mentioning any names, haven't we?! what qualifies you to make that judgment - lets just say that I have seen my share of things, and I will not have some rookie that hasn't even gotten his command yet question me on my qualifications. When you graduate from pre-school, then we can talk. Maybe I graduated from the same place you did, but that doesn't mean we were created equal. You must be able to function in the real world, not a controlled classroom scenerio.
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Post by canton1 on Nov 26, 2004 3:57:57 GMT -5
Here we go again... I am better than you. Seems to be a pattern with this. Maybe we need to remember that we all started at the bottum and hopefully got or are getting better. Or, was that missed in paramedic school???"FIREMEDIC"--- does that mean you go to fires and find out who is more equal or do you go get the job done and help each other Decent Fire Program--- Ummmm is there one??? I hope that it is all almost equal. It is all about how aggressive you are!!What Qualifies me??-- A bunch of years and a load of training. But, I still have to have respect for the "junior" fire fighters and officers. I dont get to a scene and "boot" them away.. Teach them!!Ok--enough busting -alls
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Post by cledus on Nov 26, 2004 11:40:38 GMT -5
ok larry and fire medic, are we going to use the metric, or standard system to measure our .... short commings? guys this is a serious question, fire medic if you asked someone to get out and they refused what would you do? you claim to have the experiance.
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Post by Chris VanDruff on Nov 27, 2004 10:54:13 GMT -5
ok I posted and I deleted it Im not gonna let this one get out of hand. Fire medic yes there are thosse out there that maybe shouldnt be. Thats where you should step in and help them out instead of degrading them. I hope you never need any help from those lesser than you, It can be a very lonely world out there. How about trying to bring them to your level instaed of cutting them down. This is a brotherhood (sisters too) where we all need to work together maybe you should try it medic. I hope you dont carry this allmighty attitude onto a fire scene also, That right there will get someone hurt.
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