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Post by flamethrower on Apr 4, 2006 21:15:49 GMT -5
Do you think that most emergency responders use "due regard" when responding in emergencyc "code red" mode?
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Post by Medic13 on Apr 4, 2006 21:23:23 GMT -5
I think most of us do, but it's the few who don't that give us all a black eye.
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Post by cpd209 on Apr 5, 2006 8:25:18 GMT -5
Are we talking red lighters or blue lighters
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Post by 24wacker1 on Apr 5, 2006 18:21:07 GMT -5
I didn't vote on this one and this is why:
I feel that the phrase "due regard" can be interpreted in many different ways. For instance, on a Monday morning at 2:30 am you get tapped out for a structure fire with entrapment. (And for sake of argument, I'll use a highway that's not in Bradford County.) So, after you get tapped out, you get in your car and head down interstate 69 at 95 mph being that someone is on scene reporting smoke showing and there is still time for a rescue. There are no vehicles on the highway except yours. Is that due regard? Depends on who you ask. In my eyes it is due regard. In the eyes of others, it might not be. I don't believe that this poll is fair because if anybody tells me that they never speed to calls, I'll have to call them a liar. Everybody has pushed the limits at some point. And it also depends on who is watching you. Joe Shmoe was going down interstate 69 at 95 mph. When Fred Somebody saw Joe Shmoe Fred said: wow, must be a bad fire somewhere, but when Fred saw Hugh Jorgan driving down the same interstate at the same speed, he filed a complaint because he doesn't like Hugh. So, do we drive with due regard? Once again I'll say that it depends on who you ask. ENOUGH SAID
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Post by blueeighty8 on Apr 5, 2006 20:08:29 GMT -5
95..? What are you nuts?
When they are scraping your brains off a telephone pole, do you want paper or plastic?
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Post by 2Truck on Apr 5, 2006 20:47:35 GMT -5
As Bill stated everyone has at some point pushed the limits. As long as we keep our heads from spinning as fast as the lights we should be able to operate a piece of fire apparatus in a safe manner. The speed limits are in place for a reason, they are what is considered a "safe" operating speed for a given location. Just use some common sense when you're behind the wheel and there should be no issues. Although if you take too much time you can pick my line up at the hydrant for me.
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Post by 921batt on Apr 5, 2006 21:30:41 GMT -5
Hmmm 95 M.P.H. down Rt. 69 at 02:30 hours. Ya better hope that you don't run into someone that just came out of the local tavern. Sounds kind of fast can you handle that? I sure hope you got some high speed driving experience. I think that most Police departments train thier oficers in this area what do we do? How about a racing school for fire fighters running P.O.V's I would be glad to instruct. But I must warn you that I am a stickler for proper safety gear. Things like a 4 point harness , SA rated helmet and I know you got NOMEX. Also expect me to tech your car before we start. Bring a tool box cause for sure I am gonna find some tech violations. Check to see if you have a minimum of a V rated tire, I will not tolerate sustained high speed without these tires. So lets get those cars tuned for some excitement.
Enough fun here guys don't make me get on my soap box again and preach about being a part of the soultion thing! c'mon guys be smart and just get there.
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Post by navyfirefighter on Apr 6, 2006 2:07:05 GMT -5
Well since thats what I drive normally But as for the topic fire fighters drive pretty well for the most part..........yes when I was home I have "pushed the speed" but I don't speed and run a blue light, I'm just any other jack ass out there flying down the road!
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Post by cpd209 on Apr 6, 2006 7:25:27 GMT -5
The problem running 95 MPH at 02:30 is you are going to out drive your headlights, no matter how good of a driver you are, adrenaline does get you pumping but if you get in an accident on the way to a call, you are going to have all your brother's already at the fire thinking of you instead of fighting the fire
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Post by 911wacker on Apr 6, 2006 18:01:14 GMT -5
95 mph is alot excessive even for an interstate. I am not going to say that we don't push it on a routine basis. Pushing it to me is generally 15 mph over the posted speed. Example 35 mph posted, 50 mph would be ok IF certian conditons are encountered like little or no traffic as in 2:30 am when everyone is in bed. I can not think of a time when I have done 95 mph even in the early AM on route 17 going to a "hot" call. Most of the time in town we do barely 10 mph over the posted speed due to traffic and conditions. Just my 2 cents here.
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Post by 24wacker1 on Apr 7, 2006 20:01:17 GMT -5
ok, So I guess that I picked the wrong number from my head. Sorry for the confusion. The point I'm trying to get across here is I think that most of us drive with due regard, but it all depends on who you ask.
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Post by Medic13 on Apr 8, 2006 7:00:51 GMT -5
Regardless of speed or aggressiveness, there are always gonna be people who think you were driving too fast. They see lights, hear the siren, freak out, slam on the brake and swerve... then complain they were run off the road. Hence the reason I don't run the reds for every call. I can safely say there has never been a call that regret not running the lights. Likewise, it's not uncommon to arrive on scene after running hot and realize it wasn't necessary.
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Post by chief322 on Apr 8, 2006 9:04:47 GMT -5
You know it doesn't even need to be an emergency response for a black eye to be placed on responders. Last night while driving home from picking up my daughter, I was tailgated and given in-appropriate gestures from a pickup with a blue light and TOG hanging in the window. Now I do have the plate number and do have the resources to find out the owner. This will be followed up with a call to the chief of that company. Its amazing that those who profess to being professionals act in this capacity.
Please remember that when acting like an ass on the road, you never know who you may be antagonizing. It was even worse that when I signaled them to pull over and discuss their actions, they took the coward actions and didn't.
I really hope to introduce myself to this individual really, really soon.
Tim
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Post by flamethrower on Apr 8, 2006 11:32:12 GMT -5
For the most part I beleive that responders as a whole do well with there response. But it only takes that 10% of the idiots out there to give the rest of us a bad name. Just a note - 95 mph is just a little much!!
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Post by cpd209 on Apr 11, 2006 7:43:43 GMT -5
It does not help either when you are running red lights and siren and the person driving in front of you still does not get out of your way, so then you have to push it even more trying to pass where you probally shouldn't, if this happens be sure to get the plate number and location,time of the incident
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