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Post by 911wacker on Nov 22, 2003 10:17:41 GMT -5
What do all of you think this counties largest weakness is when it comes to rescue operations and what would you like to see done about it?? Do any of you think we are prepared to handle any of the following??
Confined Space?
Building Collapse?
High Angle Rope Rescue?
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Post by 911guy on Nov 22, 2003 11:19:33 GMT -5
Of the three you mentioned (which excluded a variety of others I can think of), I think this county is probably best prepared in the area of high-angle rope rescue. There are a few people trained in confined space and collapse, but not too many. And our equipment resources in this area might be limited too.
If we had a true, big-scale confined space or structural collapse, I hope all of us remember to think outside of the box and not be afraid to contact PEMA, who has a myriad of resources available for these situations. Based on my experience, I don't think that's a problem - most responders are not afraid to ask for the extra help they may not have.
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Post by 911wacker on Nov 22, 2003 20:39:47 GMT -5
True, those were just the tip of the iceberg. However if you really look around the county we have "real" potential for building collapse and confined space rescues in nearly every district. Look at all the old brick buildings on almost every main street in the county, towanda, sayre, athens, troy, canton, etc. the list goes on and on.
Here is my point, as we speak the politicians are tripping over themselves to get prepared for "WMD" type incidents. Throwing millions of dollars at the pulblic saftey agencies for things they may never (lets hope anyway) use. Now I don't think that Bradford County is very high on the hit list for those "terrorist groups" out in the world. But the county EMA or LEPC could possibly help fund these specialised area's of rescue resource from grant money. As long as Joe politician wants to give it away. Rational being that if a "bomb" (hypithetical situation) were to go off there would most likely be a building collapse or confined space rescue.
Maybe I'm way off the mark here but why not try?? We only could benefit, no loss the way I see it.
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Post by Firegirl on Nov 23, 2003 10:22:30 GMT -5
As far as confined space goes - you have a good resource right here with the equipment (whether it is the right equipment for that situation). Dupont has quite a bit of equipment for this. I know that they are always willing to help out in the community. What I don't know is if they would allow people with it. I for one would "volunteer" to go with it. The emergency crew there is trained every year as confined space entries, although not done routinely, does happen. One of the posts before hit on training. I for one would like to see more of this kind of stuff. I took rope 1 and would like to take the ones to follow but can't always travel to the classes
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Post by Flynn on Nov 23, 2003 11:31:52 GMT -5
I think the only thing we are even remotely prepared for is high-angle, possibly even confined space, but even these are limited to locals.
We, in my opinion and experience, don't even come close to a collapse/trench capabilities. These type of incidents involve mass resources, both departmental and private sector. With Bradford seeing more and more influx of suburban style (developments, sewer, water, gas etc.) and the start of delapidation, the threat of these types of incidents has been increasing sharply.
Under current conditions of our technical rescue capabilities, a recovery is more likely than a rescue.
We have trained personnel throughout our county in all aspects of the technical resuce trades. Maybe it is time we channeled this knowledge and form a county-wide tech team. Chief Jass Sheets of Company 25 has been looking into this. Maybe its time we all should start offering our services and bring this to fruitation. Even at the least, Skip Roupp is in the preocess of establishing a technical rescue advisory team. He could use all the knowledgable personnel he coud get.
Think about offering your services to these individuals. It will only help us all out in the long run.
Tim
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Post by Valley3 on Nov 23, 2003 15:50:59 GMT -5
I agree that high angle is available through out the county in bits and pieces, but does everyone know what the other guys have and can do with ropes. The answer to the question is spelled out in 2 words.
RESCUE TASKFORCE
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Post by 911wacker on Nov 24, 2003 16:28:46 GMT -5
I agree that high angle is available through out the county in bits and pieces, but does everyone know what the other guys have and can do with ropes. The answer to the question is spelled out in 2 words. RESCUE TASKFORCE Exactley what I was trying to get at - surely this would be a long tem goal but beneficial to all!!
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Post by Nick on Nov 24, 2003 21:24:38 GMT -5
Exactly! There used to be a couple rescue services in the county that specialized in rope rescue, but the calls are few and they kind if dissolved. Now every rescue truck has ropes, and some have the harnesses and other equipment that is needed, but these types of special operations should have designated teams. Not unlike the dive team. How many people are experienced at repelling? At rigging? There are a few, but they are scattered between 8 or 9 different services. You have one truck, either designate an existing rescue unit or get a new one, that carries all the equipment for that purpose and it gets dispatched with the "rope rescue", "confined space rescue", or whatever team.
These types of calls are too few in this area to have every rescue service ready to jump when it does happen. But if you had a team that focusses on it, that keeps it fresh in their minds, how can you go wrong?
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Post by NT1 on Nov 25, 2003 11:45:10 GMT -5
I believe we all agree what needs to be done. Where do we go from here. How do we make this happen. Two words come to mind. Commitment and Equipment. It will take both to make this a reality.
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