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Post by EngTrk on Dec 29, 2004 9:03:42 GMT -5
A good thing to get into doing is at every atuo accident crib the vehicle and disconnect the battery. This way if anyone of us or any Ems personnel or even PD needs to enter the vehicle they don't half to wory about it rolling away or if the air bags didn't deploy they don't half to wonder if they are going to go off at any time. These are just a couple of things that I have been taught.
Another great point that Chris brings up is Ems and Fire being cross trained. If you have taken a recent emt class they don't teach you how to put out a fire or how to do even simple vehicle rescue techniques. And the fire side in the vehicle rescue classes they touch on patient care very little. This is great we basicly have critique going on here. Realizing what went wrong and talking about how to fix it. Over all it sounds like things went well. There is just a couple of things to fix. Keep up the good work.
Stay safe.
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Post by blueeighty8 on Dec 29, 2004 18:09:06 GMT -5
They don't teach vehicle rescue in the EMT classes anymore? We had the basic gaining access class w/ use of Cutters, spreaders, hi-lifts, port-o-power, sawzalls, hack saws, air bags, rams, etc. I think it was more informative than the BVR class I took. I feel it is very important to have cross trained personnel on scene. That way you don't have a half dozen people standing around. If everyone knows what tools are needed to get the job done, we can work together for the common goal. We carry four rescue tools, so as long as someone is working on the patients, we can open up each side of the car, or work on several vehicles at once. Another advantage of cross training, nobody can ever be in the way, and the level of stress is also way down b/c you know that every other job is just as important as your own.
The No. 1 thing rescue can do for a patient is carry a box of gloves and a bag of assorted compresses. You don't need an EMT cert to put pressure on a gusher. Which is also why I feel all personnel should have standard first aid.
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Post by EngTrk on Dec 30, 2004 23:32:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I took my EMT through Harrisburg Area Community College and had little to no rescue training. We here at Upper Allen have rider assignments and one seat in the rescue is ems/ patient care. That person doesn't necessarily half to be an emt but must have basic first aid/ cpr. They more or less just assist Ems. Their are very few times that we are on scene befor them. We also carry a med bag on each rig that consists of a little bit of everything.
Have a good new year. Stay Safe.
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Post by GVEMS30 on Jan 5, 2005 15:33:22 GMT -5
They don't teach vehicle rescue in the EMT classes anymore? It is my understanding that vehicle rescue is no longer part of the EMT training in Pennsylvania. I discovered this when I handed a new EMT a backboard at a MVC and he looked at me with the deer in the headlights look. I found out why from an instructor, who happened to be on that same call why.
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Post by blueeighty8 on Jan 5, 2005 18:23:21 GMT -5
Oh what the heck. I posted and went to change spelling, saved changes, came back... and my post was gone. Je deteste la technologie !
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Post by GVEMS30 on Jan 5, 2005 20:50:58 GMT -5
Well, as of this summer they were still teaching the "Gaining Access" portion in EMT class. As a matter of fact, it was done at my station. The instructor knew that we had a supply of junk cars and a rescue truck an asked if he could do that part at our station. They don't teach "Rescue" per say, but they do teach access and packaging. They did long and short boards, KED boards, Rapid extracation etc...... The EMT students did PT care senerios while our guys cut the cars that they were in. Larry, if an EMT got a certificate and don't know what a long board is, I would be finding out who tought his class and turn that instructor into the DOH because he must have forgotten the whole part of the class that deals with trauma. Long boards are not just for MVA's. Well this was two summers ago and the EMT in question seemed to know what a backboard was, however he was clueless as to it’s use at an MVC with respect to patient extrication. Not being an EMT instructor I don’t know what is being taught today. Thanks for the input.
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Post by 9Wacker1 on Jan 19, 2005 10:51:32 GMT -5
Having just finished EMT-B in December, I can say that extrication and rapid extrication are both part of the curriculum. Gaining access is still there too. Pretty important stuff in my opinion (can't reach patient - can't treat patient), and if someone isn't teaching it they do need to be reported.
I was an FR for 3 years and learn a lot "on the job" as it were, but there is still no substitute for basic knowledge and skills.
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