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Post by canton1 on Oct 27, 2004 0:53:11 GMT -5
Why do we have to have so many different call signs for apparatus. 27PT1/20PR1/2E1,24M1,1SQ1? Why do we call some Engines when they are really brushtrucks.
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Ron
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Post by Ron on Oct 27, 2004 16:51:56 GMT -5
I think we all (in Bradford) sould use the call signs like tioga counties (tanker 9-5) ;D
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Post by Medic12 on Oct 27, 2004 17:02:13 GMT -5
I think if the vehicles everywhere were desiganted to conform to a guideline such as this there would a lot less confusion. Also a uniform call sign/numbering system such as...
ex Dept 8... Engine 8, Engine 1-8, Tanker 8, Truck 8
ENGINE Meets NFPA 1901 Standards, Pumping 500gpm or Greater LADDER Meets NFPA 1901 Standards, Minimum Extension of 65' TRUCK Meets NFPA 1901 Standards, Any Vehicle Pumping 500gpm or Less RESCUE Meets NFPA 1901 Standards, Carries Equipment for Rescue Operations, Extrication, and Fire SQUAD Meets NFPA 1901 Standards, Same as Rescue, but can pump 500gpm or greater and has an Air Cascade System TANKER Meets NFPA 1901 Standards, Carries at Least 1000 Gallons of Water may or may not have pump BRUSH Pumps 500 gpm or Less, Capable of Wild Land Fire Suppression SPECIAL UNIT Any Unit Capable of Carrying Manpower, or Special Fire Equipment AMBULANCE Must Conform to State Health Laws BOAT Amphibious Craft for Water Rescue
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Post by FIREFIGHTER16 on Oct 27, 2004 20:06:43 GMT -5
WELL HOW WOULD THAT WORK WHEN YOU HAVE 2 OR 3 EVERYTHING?
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Post by TheFenceJumper1 on Oct 28, 2004 11:53:03 GMT -5
It's my opinion that thad, the days of having two or three of every thing are on the down hill side, Money is not what it used to be, unless your in troy, and man power issue's, If anything I think you'll see alot of departments start down sizing and or joining forces for costs.
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Post by Medic12 on Oct 28, 2004 16:01:19 GMT -5
It would work like this...say you had 3 engines and I'll use Dept 7 this time. It would go Engine 7, Engine 1-7, Engine 2-7. Or in the case of Sta 58 Mildred we have 2 brush trucks Truck 58 and Truck 1-58. Also when and officer is on the air they give their rank so county knows what they are ex Chief 58, Chief 1-58, Chief 2-58 Captain 58, Lt 58 and so on.
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Post by FIREFIGHTER16 on Oct 28, 2004 17:45:14 GMT -5
DOUG CAN YOU IMAGINE IF TROY AND CANTON JOINED FORCES? OUT OF CONTROL.
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Post by steve74 on Oct 28, 2004 20:05:48 GMT -5
Down here in Maryland most Counties do this way:
Example: Dept 9
Engine 91 Engine 92 (if multiple) Engine 93 (and so on)
Tower or Truck 9
Rescue or Squad 9
Tanker 9 (if only 1 tanker) Tanker 91 (if multiple)
Brush 9
Some depts have mini-pumpers - Mini-pumper 9
Kinda like Tioga Co. (Pa). Works great down here, not sure about Bradford. This talk has gone on as long as I can remember in Bradford Co. (16 years that I know but I bet longer) and always with some difficulty. Good luck.
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Post by steve74 on Oct 28, 2004 20:09:08 GMT -5
Here's an example for a dept with 2 digits such as dept 10
Engine 101 Engine 102 and so on
Probably already figured that one out.
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Post by Matt Russell on Oct 28, 2004 21:27:54 GMT -5
Well I haven't posted anything in awhile and since I feel this discussion has some validity I will attempt to explain the "Tioga County" (PA that is) way.
Long, long ago the forefathers of the Tioga County Firemen's Association devised a number system that is relatively simple and easily adaptable to all department's however it too could use a minor work over. It essentially work like this:
You Station number is always[/u] first, I will use Liberty, Department 9.
The Chief of the Department is always Chief __ in this instance Chief 9. The first Assistant Chief is always 10 - Chief 9-10 The Second Assistant Chief is always 20 - Chief 9-20 You can have a Third Assistant Chief (I think it actually states your department must have 2 or more engines - not sure this rule really is enforced) He/she would be designated - Chief 9-30 Ambulance Chief Chief 9-60 (We don't have any ambulance chief's) Assistant Ambulance Chief - Chief 9-70 Rescue Captain - Captain 9-80 Rescue Lieutenant - Lieutenant 9-81 Fire Police Captain - Captain 9-90 Fire Police Lieutenant - Lieutenant 9-91
The rest of the captains and Lt's are pretty messed up because it essentially is a department thing. Some department's have a Captain and Lt for every vehicle, we have all the above mentioned officer (minus the ambulance ones) and a Station Captain (Captain 9) and Station LT (LT. 9)
Apparatus[/u]
Once again the Station number is always first followed by another number, and if you have more than 1 the number increases by 10:
1 - Engine with 500gpm-1149gpm pump (Engine 9-1, Engine 9-11, Engine 9-21 etc) 2 - Engine with 1250gpm - 1749gpm pump (Engine 9-2, Engine 9-12, Engine 9-22, Engine 9-32 etc) 3 - Engine with 1750gpm or > pump (Engine 9-3, Engine 9-13, Engine 9-23 etc) 4 - Patrol or "quick attack" essentially a mini pumper F series cab with usually 500gpm or 750gpm pump (Patrol 9-4, Patrol 9-14, Patrol 9-24 etc) 5 - Tanker (Tanker 9-5, Tanker 9-15, Tanker 9-25 etc) 6 - Ambulance (Ambulance 9-6, Ambulance 9-16 etc) 7 - Ambulance (Ambulance 9-7, Ambulance 9-17 etc.) 8 - Rescue (Rescue 9-8, Rescue 9-28 Rescue 9-38 see below for 18) 9 - Specialty Piece (Hose Truck, Aerial, Ladder, Tower) (Whatever 9-9, whatever 9-19 etc) 18 - Squad - this is normally a "Brush" or water supply unit with portable equipment but could also be a suburban that hauls people around.
Now don't hold me to the gpm values of the pumpers because I can never remember the exact set up so I used those for the sake of discussion (a 2 may actually be from 1250gpm - 1999gpm).
The only problem with this system is that now days with multi-purpose equipment there is always discussion on what to number things. When we purchased our current Tanker which has 2,000gal of water, 1250gpm pump, full compliment of "Engine" tools - the question was "do we label it "Engine 9-12" or "Tanker 9-5". Thankfully we made an easy decision: it was replacing the Tanker and it's PRIMARY role was as a Tanker hence "Tanker 9-5". Mansfield for instance has "Engine 2-2" which is more commonly (out of the sticks anyway) a Squad (Engine / Rescue) but it's PRIMARY use is an "Engine"
One Department has a Tele-squirt (55 foot if I remember correctly but may be a 65') that is labeled..........are you ready for this "TOWER ?-9". So ya see there is some issue with our number system but I do think it is MUCH MUCH better than most around us. Remember this is what I grew up with and it makes sense to me and works for us and it may not make sense to or work for you.
OOOPPPSSS! I almost forgot the colors
White - Hospital (Wellsboro White, Wellsboro White ER) Red - Fire Station Base (Liberty Red) Gold - Ambulance Station Base (Blossburg Gold) Blue - Fire Chief's Residence (Morris Blue) Black - Assistant Chief's residence (Morris Black)
And there is probably more that I forgot.
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Post by Chris VanDruff on Oct 28, 2004 21:44:44 GMT -5
matt that just sound s really screwed up I like engine 9 tanker 91 tanker 92 rescue 9 brush 9 just sounds easy chief 9 chief 92 i dont know lets just keep it simple for real . I see how it could become an issue though look at all the different opinions we already have. good luck
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Post by steve74 on Oct 29, 2004 7:35:20 GMT -5
Yea, I forgot the officer numbers. Down here they are:
I'll continue to use dept 9
Fire Chief - Chief 9 1st Asst. - Chief 9A 2nd Asst. - Chief 9B
Amb. Chief - EMS Chief 9 (if you had one)
Now with Capt. and Lt. it's different
In Prince Georges Co. there are no call signs for them. There u must respond from the station and there is always a crew and the Capt's and Lt's ride the seat and they will be designated by the truck - Eng. 91 Officer.
In Calvert Co. where I volunteer there are 1 Capt, 2 Lt's, and 2 Sgt's. When they respond with the piece they sign on as "Eng 91 responding with the Lt". They is no designation as to which Lt. That is just to let the responding Chief now if he/she has a line officer responding or not.
The deal with a Tele-Squirt being called a Tower is different. Here, a Tower must have a Platform w/ ladder. Tele-Squirt are called just that - Tele-Squirt 9.
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Post by Columbia Hose Co No 1 fire/ems on Jan 25, 2005 21:21:34 GMT -5
Why do we call them trucks when they are engines ?
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