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Post by Chris VanDruff on Aug 1, 2004 13:36:13 GMT -5
On 7 31 04 I distinctly heard a dispatcher call for emergency traffic only. when all hell was breaking loose all over the county. This dispatcher I dont know who it was, was totally ignored. Thank god there wasnt some emergency service worker dieing somewhere casue people were so stinking rude and uneducated that nobody would have been able to here it. Lets fix the little things.
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Post by valleytech36 on Aug 2, 2004 5:56:33 GMT -5
Emergency Traffic is used by any person, division/ group, or resource encountering perilous situations that put on-scene resources in imminent danger. Emergency traffic will receive the highest communications priority from the incident commander or any units operating on the emergency scene. I have heard it use on the police channel for Chemung County, New York.
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Post by Chris VanDruff on Aug 2, 2004 8:47:32 GMT -5
I knew the answer I was hoping someone would break it down for those uneducated ones that still contiued to respond thier "CAR" after it was echoed by dispatch. Thanks.
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Post by canton1 on Aug 2, 2004 22:53:50 GMT -5
It is to widely used for one. The other half is from NOT PAYING ATTENTION! My one department had a call once and my first officer used it correctly but for some god almighty unknown My department had it used 3 more times for that call. I gues it just sounds good. Cars----will not stop till the CHIEFS of thier respective department stop it. Units--Got me---2 or 3 units responding to the garage for one EMS call--needs fixed
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Post by BCDISP on Aug 3, 2004 13:20:38 GMT -5
Car is a mobile vehicle with a radio that's driven by a wacker.
Unit is a driver that's has no official medical training certified by the PADOH.
Obviously some field units are blind to what the term emergency traffic only means. A veteran fire officer after the statement was made and came up and advised that his department was returing and he was inservice. Which per his vision this couldn't be advised via phone 10 minutes later.
Some day we will have the field units on the right page of music.
Matthew
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Post by Firemedic on Aug 3, 2004 15:25:59 GMT -5
I hope that you are an ambisious person, wanting to educate feild units. ;D
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Post by jenn13t8 on Aug 3, 2004 19:05:53 GMT -5
From the Comm Centers point of view, if "Emergency Traffic Only" is advised, that means all radio traffic is kept to a minimum, and all routine, ,in and out of service, and shift change notifications should be called in by phone. It is very fustrating to sit in here, swamped due to a storm or large fire or whatever, and call emergency traffic only, and have people just keep on going with what they were talking about on the radio. We are sitting here to help save lives and property, whether it be a respoders or the general public's. The same goes if "No Echo" or "Radio silence" is called for. IF we call for emergency traffic and we actually can hear someone calling, they are going to get whatever assistance they need that much faster if the air is quiet- we are just trying to keep people safe out there. Sorry for such a long ost, but this is something that has been bothering me for quite a while- thanks for bringing it up Chris!
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Post by RAYFF2 on Aug 6, 2004 22:12:17 GMT -5
Hey Jenn and Kim I am glad I am not a dispatcher..maybe not yet.. But when i hear emergency traffic only and even on some of our calls (ie structure fires) as a responding unit of the actual dept due you cant get a word to your incident commander because some mutual aid unit or other personnel have 10 personnel respondiing with radios.. If it was a box alarm..personally only cheifs and 1st asst with apparatus responding would be the ones on the radios.. who cares if (45fp15 or idiot 10 is responding) This is my own opinion .. I know there has been several times and couldnt.. Let cut down on the radios and traffic during calls
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Post by 2Truck on Aug 6, 2004 22:47:48 GMT -5
Wednesday I had the privilage of listening to Cumberland County go to their "emergency only" communication mode (this being because of multiple touchdowns in several areas by a F1 tornado in the county). When that mode was declared no one was to talk on the radio unless the communications center talked to them. For the first time that it was used since the policy was set forth it seemed to work quite well, even after they dispatched incidents non stop for about 5 minutes straight . As it has been discussed in other topics talking on the radio comes down to discipline (or the lack there of) among units in the field.
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Post by canton1 on Aug 13, 2004 22:09:03 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but shouldn't everyone but the chiefs go to the station, get on a truck and then respond as a fully staffed unit?? All that does is makes it harder for the 2nd and 3rd trucks to get out the door because everyone is on the scene already. All of our firefighters and most often all of our line officers go to the station and get on a truck anyway. We had an argument with a few people that lived further away from the station than most a few years back. My feelings along with the other officers was that these people might not make the first truck out the door, but we still need to get the second one out and these people are timed just right for that. Dude, I agree so much. But there are many department on this county that do not do it this way. I seems to make sense for them. Our department issues Mobiles and Portables to Officers as set up in our bylaws. Fire police get a portable and are not to use it unless it is a FP incident. I know some I hear tem say that it is cause they are members of multiple departments, or they live a long ways from the station. Either way. If they Abuse is TAKE IT
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Post by 3unit2 on Aug 14, 2004 7:08:28 GMT -5
Lycocapt, I have to agree .Down there in the Big city you have lots of personel and maybe some paid staff. So not everyone with the ability to speak needs a radio. But up here in rural Bradford County, things are a little different. We are all Vol. and scattered out over the area. It's nice to know who is responding. I know Canton 1 is not overly fond of "units" with radios, but that's another story. I have 2 radios. One in my truck and a portable. And yes depending on the type of call and location , I go to the scene, and not the garage to drive the rig. Even though I'm just a" unit", at MVA'S I quite often take EMS command. Thus freeing up an EMT or First Responder to do pt care.
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Post by canton1 on Aug 14, 2004 22:25:36 GMT -5
3U2, you are only partially correct in your statement. It is not that I am not FOND of units.... I used to be one for several years!!!It is that I am not fond of ones that dont use a brain on the radio. Same as I am not fond of a fireman, car, constable or what ever, that do the same thing. I find no reason for 3 different "units" to be on the radio responding to the garage (only one can drive a rig) and then at the garage and on the scene. If you are the primary UNIT and you are enroute to the garage that is fine. Why not just state that you are responding and leave it at that. But to be blabing all the other stuff and WANT acknowledged, I just dont understand it. I am not to sure what you are stating as "that is another story" because I have never directly taked to you about this issue . It is no different than firepolice repsonding, Get in the vehicle and go!!!! It does not matter that you have two radios or 10 if you use a littel common sense with it. Hell, I wish more had mobiles instead of those junk portables that most get, atleast we could understand what is being said. I see nothing wrong with a UNIT going to the scene if it is closer and there is someone going to the garage that can DRIVE. But, all to often there is 3 units and 2 EMTS going to the scene, who is going to get the RIG. Is that not the PRIMARY purpose of a UNIT. It should make no difference who is command as long as #1 you state you are (this is of big importance) or, #2 the highest level person states that you are "COMMAND", #3 and it is someone that understands how UNIFIED COMMAND works. The Number 1 does not always have to be the one INCHARGE as long as it is the one with the most knowledge about the incident. Nothing makes a agency or agencies look bad than to have Fire and EMS both repeating the same things and asking for the same things. I agree that to often someone calls COMMAND just so they get to be the BOSS and they dont worry about real reason we are there. We all have that at one time or another and I have been to so many areas of the county that have it to, or you have NO ONE in charge and it is a real mess. As for the real subject of this post : What is emergecy traffic. ----- Most times it is broke by a Fireman/car/Unit, yes sometimes by a LINE OFFICER of Fire or EMS but not ussually.
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Post by 911wacker on Aug 16, 2004 19:58:53 GMT -5
It does not matter that you have two radios or 10 if you use a littel common sense with it. I agree that to often someone calls COMMAND just so they get to be the BOSS and they dont worry about real reason we are there. We all know common sense ain't too common and most people who have radio's can't resist the urge to use them, even for frivolous crap that can obviously wait until the air is clear. Failure of ambulance captians and fire chiefs to discipline is the #1 reason this happens.And the COMMAND thing, we should discuss that in a forum for itself.
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Post by TheFenceJumper1 on Aug 17, 2004 14:33:36 GMT -5
Very true, not every body needs a radio. To me lycoming county has it mastered, there is very litle radio traffic, but every body still gets excited and voices things that shoudent be over the air. But life goes on and it make it more fun, expecially for the volunters.
As Canton 1 stated earlier, it is up to the fire chiefs to control.
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Post by W4SFD on Oct 18, 2004 19:13:58 GMT -5
After reading these posts, it sounds to me like the licensee is not in control of who is using the channels. I guess its time for me to write an emergency services radio course. It will contain 16 hours of me harping about rules, regulations, appropriate communications and what you can lawfully do and not do!
P.S. Fund Raising operations such as Smithfield & Sayre Fireworks, Cars Shows, Canivals, and alike are not permissible communications on public safety pool frequencies! That why they have Business & Industrial Pool Frequencies for. That's The Rules. not my opinion.
W4SFD
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