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Post by CMTMedic on Dec 17, 2003 0:56:07 GMT -5
I don't want to criticize, because I am still a fairly recent implant to the area, but why do people not use a talkaround frequency when talking to each other on scene. I do believe that there are several fairly new frequency's assigned with scene operations in mind. I know that here in the valley there have been several times just in the past few weeks when we have incidents in progress and we are unable to communicate to the county or each other because in another area in the county someone else seems to be talking to another person on scene. I know I am guilty of this at times as we all are. In the valley we are at a disadvantage in that not everyone in the county can hear Round Top. This can mean that numerous ambulances can be operating here in town and other parts of the county are unaware. We in the valley however do hear most of the other towers quite well so we can get stepped on without the other party knowing.
In a somewhat related issue. Is there a need for everybody in the department to call responding to a scene (with the exception of calls for additional assistance or patients). I may be incorrect but if there are 2 tech's, or medics or any combination that represents a legal crew, responding and maybe one additional person going to get the ambulance what is the reason to call and tie up the air. Not saying just 2 or 3 people are the only ones that can respond to a call, just that there is no need for everyone to tie up the radio when a minimum crew has already been confirmed. This is typically the biggest reason the airwaves get tied up, in my opinion, in the county. Is there a policy on radio use in the county that outlines who can talk when and what for?
I guess all that I ask is that people use common sense when communicating to each other. I like the saying "think before you talk" even though I do not always practice that belief ;D, but I do think it is good advice.
These are my opinions only, not of any organization I am affiliated with.
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Post by canton1 on Dec 17, 2003 1:00:27 GMT -5
OMG another person that thinks that more people need to GET OFF THE AIR or go to an alternate freq. I know in my department and Greater Valley we both use an alternate channel or all the CHATTER.
Maybe we all need to YACK YACK YACK YACK over their radio traffic and maybe they would get he hint. I hate to see twp wrongs making a right but what else do you do.
KUDOS MEDIC44
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Post by 911wacker on Dec 17, 2003 7:31:34 GMT -5
Oh my GOD, the problem is most of the folks who abuse the radio haven't signed up for this board!! Discipline from the ambulance Captians and Fire chiefs is what will keep this problem under control, and since some Fire Chiefs and ambulance Captians themselves have no clue, we will continue to have this problem. Wrong or right, we are stuck with this problem until the responders in this county ALL want it to sound proffesional and organized.
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Post by canton1 on Dec 17, 2003 7:40:31 GMT -5
Hey wacker, watch what you say. Some of us have a clue
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Post by EngTrk on Dec 17, 2003 10:08:25 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong Kim but county doesn't half to acknowledge every wacker with a radio. That is going to be more or less an interdepartmental problem like you said. You are right some Ems captians and Fire Chiefs see this problem and they fixed it. I don't think it's that others don't have a clue it's just they see it as their is lots of manpower.
It is great knowing that 20 or 30 "units" are responding to the scene or to the station but, their has got to be an easier way of doing it other than giving everyone a radio. Expecially for an afa or a debris sweep or some other kinda "bs" call. My opinion for what it is worth all county should hear is on the fire side: the chief(s) and apparatus that are due on the "box"(and not every unit and his brother). I am sure things will progress for the better over time.
Stay safe and be good to each other.
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Post by chief322 on Dec 17, 2003 11:44:36 GMT -5
For the record, I don't chatter on the radio. I stumble, swear, gossip, joke, lisp, scream, shout & stutter, but never chatter! Wacker; I do have a Clue, he is my cousin; along with my brother Worth and my sister Use. People call me Brain and our buddy Kim, well they call him Dick. Didn't you used to go by the name Gut and Fritsch was Spine? We are all part of the Less family! ;D ;D Show me the love
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Post by 911wacker on Dec 17, 2003 12:31:59 GMT -5
since some Fire Chiefs and ambulance Captians themselves have no clue, I meant SOME, not all! ;D I do know that when it comes to ambulance personel, alot of times new members are handed a radio and told channel X gets county. So much for radio education!!
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Post by GVEMS11 on Dec 20, 2003 14:11:39 GMT -5
Under the B/S EMS Region new regional frequency list, every EMS Med radio should have Med 10 T/A (Ch. 3) and EMS Tactical (Ch. 9), which should be used for on scene "chatter" at fires, MVAs, MCIs, etc. But if for some reason these frequencies aren't an option, what is the problem with people switching to Med 9 T/A?? This frees up the repeaters for the rest of the county to use but at the same time allows the users to monitor Bradford. Speaking of radio education, are there plans to take the fire side's communications road show on the road for EMS agencies? I know that Tri-Township had a radio class; are there others planned? Then again, to echo Scott, those that SEEK education are usually also the ones that are less likely to abuse the current system and also not have the "this is how I've done it for xx years, so its how I'm going to keep doing it and why should I change now" sentiments. And like Medic44 said, its all about common sense and also a dash of common courtesy!
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Post by CMTMedic on Dec 20, 2003 15:05:29 GMT -5
From what I have observed there are several services that have not gone to the regonal frequency list. Some of this is logistical, ie. Vehicle repeater channels, but some of it appears to be the same old "we done it this way for XX years".
Also, what was the med 10 repeater's intended use? I have noticed that services have been using this channel for on scene chatter. In the short term it does not cause a problem but if it's being continually used for a period of time it affects other services.
Is there a reason that many people don't use a talkaround channel. This is one overlooked thing that will drastically reduce radio congestion. When a unit is approaching the scene is there a reason they cannot call on scene and then switch to a talkaround channel for assignment?
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Post by 3unit2 on Dec 20, 2003 16:02:59 GMT -5
First off, I would highly recommend to any EMS service , that anyone who wants a radio class to contact the com. center and set one up .. I know in Tri-Township it opened up alot of eyes on the whats,whys and how comes.. Well worth the time in my book.
Medic 44, to answer your question on the Med 10 Repeater. For the ones that are close enough to Pisgah, to use it. It is for non- emergency radio use. The transport units use it alot, which works good for them and don't tie up the main dispatch channel. I have not heard units using it for on scene chatter,but some may have .I don't listen to the radio 24-7. I have used it a few times , when I was not close enough to use a t\a channel, but needed to relay some info to another unit..and not get stepped on by county if they should tone someone out.
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Post by 911wacker on Dec 20, 2003 21:39:38 GMT -5
ahhhhhhhhh - Medic44, have we found the answer?? As with any other thing that involves change we have to give it time. The new programming list is still pretty new ad alot of county units elsewhere other than the "valley area" have never really used channels such as "3" and T/A. I suspect that with "education" which we can hope is being initiated at all levels and all agencies, will nip this problem in the you know what!!! ;D You see many people were never shown or had to use these alternate channels, where as you working in the valley were initiated into the discipline of "proper" use of radio traffic (for lack of better words). I'm sure that IF new members of ambulance companies are trained in the new useage of radios that this problem will diminish in a year or two. The we can find something else to debate!!!! Drive fast, take chances, and never forget to decompress first. ;D ;D
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Post by GVEMS11 on Dec 27, 2003 14:52:19 GMT -5
Maybe this is a good time to get some education underway, as we are rapidly approaching "Use Your RADIO Wisely" month!
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Post by MonroetonTwo on Jan 28, 2004 9:39:39 GMT -5
Let's start by doing away with "car units" this will instantly cut out half of the radio chatter!! In certain situations the car unit idea was a good thing, But I think it's time to do away with them.........Just a thought
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Post by 911wacker on Jan 28, 2004 17:14:26 GMT -5
"cars" are used on fire frequency
"units" are used on EMS
You pose a very good question, Do we really need to know if a driver is enroute to the station?? Personally I think not, and as far as your "car" discusion......... Personaly I feel that County should not acknowledge thses units UNLESS they state they have a priority message such as a scene report, etc.
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Post by MonroetonTwo on Jan 28, 2004 21:39:50 GMT -5
Scott.....Sorry for the "unit". I only meant this for the fire side. I totally agree with you on the dispatchers not having to hear and know that every John Doe in the company is responding, This takes up alot of airtime that does'nt need to be. County gave a great radio procedure training program a couple times. For anyone who has'nt been to it, It's very informative and if nothing else a great refresher.
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